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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:45:00 -
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One of the best changes CCP has ever made.  Thank you, finally.
Joccob wrote:Yes to killmail. No to loot. Scuttling your ship has a long Naval history in RL. For example the famous Admiral Graf Spee
You do realize you can still loot a scuttled ship right ? |

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Posted - 2012.07.28 12:49:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Well at this point if you can't make the tactical decision to deny loot, why don't they just remove self destruct completely from ships? I am all about there being kill mails and such, but with a properly balanced self destruct timer based on ship class/size blowing up everything including loot should remain an option.
it's not really a tactical decision so much as a LOLOL I CAN GRIEF PEOPLE BY DENYING THEM KM AND LOOT I'M SO COOL LOL decision zero effort griefing just to be a ****, don't get me wrong I'm all for griefing but sometimes it's just too easy just like ganking hulks was too easy |

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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:32:00 -
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there's no reason victims should be able to deny loot - you lost the fight, deal with it self destructing wasn't "tactical" it was just a petty act of spite against someone you lost to
does this mean there's no point in self destructing ? most of the time yes, which is as it should be, it was always a pathetic game mechanic |

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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:58:00 -
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maybe if you actually had to rig them it would be reasonable, but you don't and letting you choose to destroy all your modules and cargo is and always has been stupid |

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Posted - 2012.07.31 14:25:00 -
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Veshta you obviously don't like blobbing and yet you want people to be able to "scuttle" their ship if their opponent doesn't blob enough ? (i can only assume you mean blobbing when you say griefs and ganks) You'll get more good fights if people don't have to bring overwhelming force to be able to get loot/killmail.
The change Masterplan is making is perfect because the old mechanic was idiotic and only kept in place because of whiney carebears who wanted to be able to grief the people who defeated them. (you can call it spit-in-the-face if you want)
But hey write off my opinion as just another insanely loudmouthed griefer/ganker, and not that of someone who has been active in this game since beta. |

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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:03:00 -
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damn crazy capsuleers :( i can't really argue with that except to say you should have to make those changes yourself (fit a rig or something) |

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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:45:00 -
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awww does ccp disagree with you despite you being such an internets spaceships engine expert maybe you should cry about it to your mommy |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:50:00 -
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you're so angry you can't spell :( |

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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:58:00 -
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He was lumping anyone who likes the change under insanely loudmouthed griefer/ganker, I myself wouldn't claim to be a griefer since I'm a nice guy really !
Nor a pirate tbh since I haven't ransomed anybody in ages, and I'll cry about people self-destructing if I want to so there. :( |

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Posted - 2012.07.31 20:03:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
PS; as a roleplayer do you honestly think it's reasonable for every single ship in eve to have explosives rigged up everywhere that'll do more damage than any external attack could ? That's a colossal waste of resources, and a huge stupid risk to the safety of ship and crew.
you just failed physics tyrrax. badly.
no I didn't , and you're an idiot if you think you know how internets spaceships self-destruct physics work and how it makes perfect sense for them to vaporize everything aboard without possibility of salvage while every other cause of spaceship death in the eve universe does not |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.07.31 21:18:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Every single ship, no. Every ship designed for combat, yes. We already see that today with SD mechanism in most of the high-tech junk being launched against the various cave dwelling (relatively) nations as the wars for control of resources escalates. Besides, we are talking spaceship with what is presumably fusion or anti-matter reactors .. read up on the damage done by our comparatively primitive fission reactors when they fizzle unintentionally and consider that a deliberate meltdown/destruction will probably be magnitudes worse (cruisers in Eve have approximately the same (slightly lower) output as a modern day nuke plant by the way).
Pretty sure ships in eve are designed to resist that kind of thing , they have defences, resistances etc - a doomsday blasting your dreadnaught to bits still leaves half your modules intact , I don't see any reason to think your ship's engines blowing up would have a greater effect ( if that's even how eve self-destruct is supposed to work )
The ability to destroy your cargo and modules can hardly be a high priority when designing the ship considering how open everything is in the eve universe technology wise , not like the Amarr would be paranoid about Minmatar getting hold of their fancy laser technology . 
If they did have something super secret on a particular ships then they could install special systems for self-destruct purposes - something capsuleers should also be required to do. Fit a rig or whatever if you want the nearly pointless ability to deny loot .
PS; by your logic Hulks, Freighters, Rorquals, Jump Freighters should not be able to self-destruct their mods / cargoholds |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:45:00 -
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what a staggeringly ignorant post , maybe you should actually read the thread before spewing your input
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:45:00 -
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Durzel wrote:Perhaps I should "contribute" with ad hominem attacks and r etarded ~real life~ logic about rigging ships with charges to be able to self-destruct in a spaceship game with lasers and treacle-physics? I haven't personally self-destructed a ship in combat once so v0v - good job on the psychoanalysis sport.  ps. Posting a contrary point of view =/= ignorance
Well first of all there's plenty more reasons to self-destruct than getting out of a wormhole, this isn't an opinion it's a fact, your not being aware of these reasons makes you ignorant (and lazy).
Second, why they can't change the timer to 10 seconds has already been covered in depth in this very thread, try going and reading it, (again, ignorant and lazy) also I didn't try to psychoanalyse you, are you on crack or something ?
PS; GJ dodging the profanity filter that always ends well. |

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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:01:00 -
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Durzel wrote:lol whining about the profanity filter when every post you've made in this thread has included an ad hominem attack.
Really don't understand why you can't simply debate stuff like this like an adult. Have I called you any names? I'm not claiming to be an expert on everything, never have, nor have I said I know everything there is to know about everything. Quite why you feel the need to be so unconstructive is beyond me. If there are a multitude of reasons why someone might self-destruct, outside of escaping WH space, why don't you educate us "ignorant" folk as to what they are?
As for the "10 seconds" thing, that's just getting bogged down in semantics. If it can't be 10 seconds for technical reasons, then maybe it could be 30, or a minute.. the point wasn't that it must be 10 seconds moreover that if the outcome of clicking SD is the same regardless - loot and a killmail for your aggressors - then as far as I can make out, and I'm quite willing to be told I'm wrong in a rational manner, having it take 2 minutes to complete is irrelevant.
Now if it did an AoE blast, or didn't drop loot, the delay would make sense - since that timer would then, as it is now, be a countdown that your enemies have to beat to get the extra reward (or avoid the AoE blast)... for example.
So you saying I'm whining about the filter and that my logic is retar ded is fine but me calling you ignorant when you're too lazy to read the thread is not ? As for why I don't just educate you "ignorant" folk, would be a waste of my time since it's all already in the thread, RTFM. |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:57:00 -
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no see but in the future BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M AN IDIOT AND THINK EVE SPACESHIPS DESIGNERS PLACE SUPER HIGH PRIORITY ON BEING ABLE TO ~~~~~DENY LOOT~~~~ |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:11:00 -
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Kristen Andelare wrote:Hey Frodo,
Pinky's right. The SD mechanism isn't haphazard or cobbled together quickly it is also a built-in system that's part of the hull when you purchase it. And with a capsuleer's nerve endings hooked into every system of the ship, self-destructing should indeed be more complete than death by shots from any external source. Blowing something up from the inside out is always preferable for assured complete destruction.
no you're wrong |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.17 09:32:00 -
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feel free to go browse through the rest of the thread for the argument part |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.18 00:07:00 -
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Why is that ? Because crybaby losers are sad that they're losing their ship and want to spit in the eye of the ones that defeated them ? (this is basically griefing) I don't see any reason for CCP to support behavior like that.
If that's what people want they should have to fit a module or a rig to achieve it, makes zero sense for the NPCs that designed the ships to include such a retardedly wasteful and pointless feature.
( There are no technological secrets to hide in any of the ships EVE players have access to, they aren't prototypes and everyone has access to their schematics. ) |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:55:00 -
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Sure you can destroy your ship, but SD causing there to be zero loot is moronic unless you go completely overboard with explosives. (not practical unless you're flying classified technology that can't fall into enemy hands, which doesn't apply to any eve tech we have access to)
But hey you're welcome to your opinion, I already won. |
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